????盡管雙方的合作相當成功，但哈迪德并非SOHO在北京和上海的新建筑項目的不二人選。張欣在接受《財富》（Fortune）采訪時表示，哈迪德“都是通過公平競爭贏得項目，并不是我直接找她的。”她說：“我們邀請了多位建筑師投標，每次哈迪德都能提出最優秀的設計方案。”（張欣隨后補充道，哈迪德勝出的次數太多了，她甚至擔心其他建筑師都不好意思為其他項目創作設計草圖。）

????哈迪德表示：“我們的合作一直非常融洽。想要在建筑設計領域找到好搭檔并不容易。”

????兩位女性都在男性主導的行業干得風生水起，但她們也經歷過不少磨難。哈迪德表示，她不是一開始就成功的，比如說，建筑界最初不太愿意接受她獨特的設計方案。而張欣早年在香港的一家工廠當過工人，直到她買了一張前往倫敦求學的單程機票并隨后進入銀行業才改變了命運。

????她們對于努力工作的態度也不謀而合。張欣既是一位母親，也是公司的首席執行官，她對《財富》說，女性都是多面手，如果確立了基本原則，就能同時勝任這兩種角色。哈迪德在臺上回應了張欣的觀點：“我認為每個人都應該一直盡最大努力工作……這會讓自己變得更好，也讓社會變得更好。”

????張欣和哈迪德目前正在合作建造北京麗澤橋地區的一棟辦公大樓，預計將于2017年左右完工。該大樓很可能會擁有世界上最高的中庭。

????談話即將結束時，隨著嘉賓們開始品嘗甜點，張欣問哈迪德是否會退休。哈迪德答道：“我不認為自己會退休。我肯定會在某天開始放緩工作節奏，但我不知道退休以后能干什么，我對編織或烹飪都不太感興趣。”（財富中文網）

????譯者：嚴匡正

????Despite their partnership’s success, Hadid wasn’t a shoe-in for SOHO’s next projects in Beijing and Shanghai. Zhang told Fortune that Hadid “always wins the work through competition. It’s not like I went to her,” she said. “We invite a few architects and Zaha always comes up with the best design.” (Zhang later added that Hadid has won so many times that she fears other architects will shy away from creating renderings for other projects.)

????“It’s been a great partnership,” Hadid said. “It’s not easy in this industry to find good partners.”

????Both women have thrived in male-dominated industries, but not without struggles. Hadid said she didn’t immediately find success, citing the architectural industry’s hesitance to embrace her unique building designs. Zhang got her start working in Hong Kong factories before purchasing a one-way ticket to London to study and become a banker.

????The women also share a similar stance on working hard. Zhang, who juggles being a mother and a CEO, told Fortune that women are versatile and can juggle both roles by having discipline. Onstage, Hadid echoed Zhang’s sentiments: “I think everybody should work extremely hard all the time… I think it’s a way to better yourself and to better society.”

????Zhang and Hadid are currently working on an office building that will debut in Beijing’s Lize Bridge area around 2017. It will include what’s likely to be the world’s tallest atrium.

????Near the end of the women’s conversation, as guests nibbled on dessert, Zhang asked Hadid if she will ever retire. “I don’t think so,” Hadid responded. “I’m sure I’ll someday slow down. I don’t know what I’d do in retirement. I’m not into knitting or cooking.”