????8. 你在學校學到的最重要的東西是什么？

????我要說兩點。我學的專業是電氣工程，說不上喜歡，這也是今天我沒有成為電氣工程師的原因。我記得在大二和大三，我在修專業課的同時還得去上篩選課程。我從中學到的是，如果專心致志，就能做成任何事情。這一課真的很重要。這會讓你變得不那么容易氣餒。我覺得隨著年齡的增長，我們會習慣于待在讓自己舒服的環境里，這會讓我們失去接納新事物的能力。

????現在我有了一個四歲的女兒，她讓我看到了截然相反的情況，什么東西她都會去探索。我覺得自己能學會任何東西的觀念真的很重要。第二點是，進入商學院后會學到會計等課程。這些課程都很好，但我在經營方面的重要經驗是，最終發揮作用的還是人。真正重要的是組織行為課程。斯坦福大學（Stanford）有一門課叫“Touchy-Feely”，內容就是人際關系。學生們學的是自己如何影響別人以及別人怎么看待自己。這門課很棒，因為最終起作用的還是人，是人際關系。

????9. 你在有生之年希望實現的個人目標或職業目標是什么？

????我想改變軟件行業。我覺得在Salesforce我們做到了這一點，但我還想再來一次。我想讓這個行業變得更好，我希望自己創造出的東西能成為企業軟件行業的學習對象。10. 你怎樣保持平衡的生活？

????10. 你怎樣保持平衡的生活？

????實際上，個人生活中的我和工作時的我大相徑庭。在工作中，我的方向非常明確，非常集中于自己的目標。不把注意力放在工作上時，我更愿意順其自然，隨遇而安。最近我一直陪著我女兒，而且過的很快樂。我的做法是無為而治，不設置條條框框或者目標，就是跟她待在一起。她想做什么，我們就一起去做。（財富中文網）

????譯者：Charlie

????8. What was the most important thing you learned in school?

????I’d say there are two things. I was an electrical engineering major. I can’t say that I liked it, and that’s why I’m not an electrical engineer today. I remember learning this while having to take weed out courses in my sophomore and junior years: What it taught me was that you can do anything if you put your mind to it. That was a really important lesson. You become less daunted about things. I think as we grow, we get so used to being in our comfort zone that we lose the ability to tackle new things.

????Now that I have a 4-year-old, and I see the opposite, where she’s tackling everything, I think the idea that you can learn anything is really important. The second thing is that when you go to business school and you learn about accounting and such, that’s all nice, but the big lesson in business is that at the end of the day, it’s all about people. It’s the organizational behavior classes are really important. Stanford has this class called “Touchy-Feely,” which is all about interpersonal dynamics. You learn about how you impact people and how people perceive you. It was a great class because in the end, it’s all about people; it’s all about relationships.

????9. What is one goal—either personal or professional—that you would like to accomplish during your lifetime?

????I’d like to change the software industry. I feel like we did that once at Salesforce, but I’d like to do it again. I’d like to change it for the better and create something that the enterprise software industry can learn from.

????10. What do you do to live a balanced life?

????I’m actually very different in my personal life than in my professional live. At work, I’m very directed, very goal-oriented. When I’m not focused on work, I prefer to go with the flow, go where things take me. These days I have fun hanging out with my daughter. What I try to do is to let go, not dictate structure or goals, and just hang out with her. Whatever she wants to do, we’ll go do.